Comments on: And while we wait for the troubadours http://timbuktu.dk/archives/901 blog by thomas elsted Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:04:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thomas http://timbuktu.dk/archives/901/comment-page-1#comment-140 Thomas Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:38:50 +0000 http://timbuktu.dk/?p=901#comment-140 Hiya yourself, you're most probably right in your arguments, and I'm glad to get a more knowledgeable comment than my own on the Zionist complex .. so thanks for furthering the understanding. My point is more locally grounded, in that whereas you may be right, the people of Xela are in fact probably not reminded of these things. However rigorously appropriated into a national symbol for the Israeli leaders, then for most people, I believe, the Star alone still holds value as the religious symbol when seen out of context. Mainstream media have made repeated use of the symbol as that of the oppressed Jewish people, which like you say has given rise to an anti-anti-semitism thing since, which the state has taken great advantage of over the years, but it is still the way the general public sees the symbol. I've got nothing against vandalism as such if targeted carefully, it's just about picking the right iconography. But hey, maybe people do understand it and the evil scheme behind it, better than me. But I was also the wet blanket who commented with somewhat same arguments on the happy hippies' placards and big banners bearing, in big happy letters, 'Make Hummus Not War'. hej-hej. Hiya yourself, you’re most probably right in your arguments, and I’m glad to get a more knowledgeable comment than my own on the Zionist complex .. so thanks for furthering the understanding. My point is more locally grounded, in that whereas you may be right, the people of Xela are in fact probably not reminded of these things. However rigorously appropriated into a national symbol for the Israeli leaders, then for most people, I believe, the Star alone still holds value as the religious symbol when seen out of context.

Mainstream media have made repeated use of the symbol as that of the oppressed Jewish people, which like you say has given rise to an anti-anti-semitism thing since, which the state has taken great advantage of over the years, but it is still the way the general public sees the symbol. I’ve got nothing against vandalism as such if targeted carefully, it’s just about picking the right iconography. But hey, maybe people do understand it and the evil scheme behind it, better than me.

But I was also the wet blanket who commented with somewhat same arguments on the happy hippies’ placards and big banners bearing, in big happy letters, ‘Make Hummus Not War’.

hej-hej.

]]> By: Lucas http://timbuktu.dk/archives/901/comment-page-1#comment-139 Lucas Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:47:06 +0000 http://timbuktu.dk/?p=901#comment-139 Hiya, I would probably argue that the Star of David that flies above Israel is a Zionist construction, and one of their earliest and best victories: to fuse not only in their dogma, but in world opinion, the imperialist goals of Zionism, and the Jewish faith, which in reality couldn't be more divergent. Over the years this has led to every critic of Israel, and it's Zionist ambition to be labelled anti-semitic, which in most cases has not been true. The early Zionist leaders were masters of propaganda, and revising history to suit their political ends, appropriating the Star of David from the Jews was the pinnacle of their efforts. Any monument named the Plaza de Israel, displaying a Star of David as large as the one in Xela has fallen for this hook, line and sinker, and could probably use a little paint to remind folks of this. Hej hej... Hiya, I would probably argue that the Star of David that flies above Israel is a Zionist construction, and one of their earliest and best victories: to fuse not only in their dogma, but in world opinion, the imperialist goals of Zionism, and the Jewish faith, which in reality couldn’t be more divergent. Over the years this has led to every critic of Israel, and it’s Zionist ambition to be labelled anti-semitic, which in most cases has not been true. The early Zionist leaders were masters of propaganda, and revising history to suit their political ends, appropriating the Star of David from the Jews was the pinnacle of their efforts.

Any monument named the Plaza de Israel, displaying a Star of David as large as the one in Xela has fallen for this hook, line and sinker, and could probably use a little paint to remind folks of this.

Hej hej…

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